Second half changes Point(on) Bradford City in the right direction – but is Mark Hughes willing to take the path that supporters desire?

Bradford City 1
Gilliead 89
Grimsby Town 1
Rose 43

By Jason McKeown

Perhaps, Alex Gilliead’s 89th minute thunderbolt equaliser will prove to be the turning point. Or maybe it just delays the inevitable. So much of Bradford City’s early season form gives off cliff edge vibes, with Mark Hughes and his charges dangling on the precipice between competency and implosion. It all seems to be unravelling – but as yet, nothing is broken.

Broken would be a fair word to describe the Bantams’ woeful first half performance here, as they were meekly second best to an impressive and purposeful Grimsby Town. The home side got an awful lot better after the break, and ultimately were good value for the point Gilliead’s late strike earned them. And so perhaps, because of the lessons learned here in the baking September heat, City are in a better position going forwards.

Perhaps.

We’ll come onto talk about that second half display from City, which had plenty to like and take heart from. But we can’t pretend the first half didn’t happen. The Bantams had a real shocker of a 45, producing a performance so devoid of purpose and intelligence that you were left scratching your head over what the plan was supposed to be.

Grimsby are known for playing a high press and it was on full display from the get-go. It’s fair to assume Hughes wanted to counter it by the usual playing it out from the back, in the hope that Grimsby’s press would invite space behind to exploit, but it just didn’t work. Grimsby’s press was too good, City’s passing too slow. They did sometimes find Richie Smallwood and Kevin McDonald in areas where they had time to pick out a pass over the top, but City’s forward three of Bobby Pointon, Jamie Walker and Matty Derbyshire were just too isolated, making it easy for the visitors to cut out passes.

City were relying on Smallwood and McDonald to produce inch-perfect passes over long distances to get in behind. It not surprisingly had a very low success rate. At one point Smallwood turned and tried to send Brad Halliday away . The ball nearly reached the full back but went out for a throw in. We all clapped the City skipper for how close he was. Yep, it was a low bar.

The three at the back was on show for City – of course it was – and the results were highly questionable. Up against a high press, it should allow triangle moments of City players linking up and passing around their opponents. Of one defender breaking through into midfield to support attacks. Of wing backs having greater freedom to attack, knowing they’re not leaving huge gaps behind. But it’s just not working that way for Hughes. The players at his disposal are lacking the dynamism to make it a success.

You have to give Grimsby credit too. Paul Hurst, the man who was once next Bradford City manager in waiting, played a 4-1-4-1 formation that allowed his forward players to press whilst also crowding out Smallwood and McDonald. Kamil Conteh sat deep in front of his back four and was an effective barrier to City’s attempts to get forward. Hughes initially had Walker and Pointon alongside Derbyshire in a 3-4-3, then switched to Pointon behind Walker and Derbyshire. Neither set-up worked. City were completely toothless.

The other frustration is that City’s three at the back approach isn’t leading to defensive solidity. When you’re effectively picking five defenders, you should be pretty good at keeping the opposition out. But the goal Grimsby deservedly scored just before half time illustrated just how easy the Bantams are to play through. A crossfield ball drew Lewis Richards back, and there was a huge amount of space afforded to Toby Mullarkey. As the Mariners’ full back swung over a cross, there were six City shirts in their own penalty area and just two Grimsby players. Yet somehow Danny Rose was left free to plant a header into the bottom corner.

What happened next underlined the cliff edge feel about things right now. An impressively large Grimsby Town following gleefully sung that Mark Hughes was “getting sacked in the morning”. In the home ends, some fans joined in with the chant, and others clapped it. At best, the opposition taunting of Hughes attracted silence from most City supporters. No one in that moment was prepared to defend the City boss, as social media lit up with a flurry of Hughes out calls.

This was clearly the most significant dip in Hughes’ popularity amongst his Bradford public. The moment the ice beneath him began to crack. Half time conversations were fuelled by speculation over how long he might last – to the end of the season, to the end of the month, to the end of the weekend even?

But to Hughes’ credit, he engineered a big improvement. The second half saw the ditching of three at the back, with Ciaran Kelly and McDonald withdrawn for Alex Gilliead and Rayhann Tulloch. City returned to the typical 2022/23 formation of 4-2-3-1, with Pointon and Tulloch as wide forwards. And everything began to make sense again.

It became a completely different game. Each and every City player looking more comfortable in their own skin. More assured of their responsibilities. Several free kicks were won in promising areas. After earning no corners in the first half, City clocked up five in the first 10 minutes of the second half alone. The pressure began to build, and the home fans responded brilliantly to create a cauldron of noise.

Some players can wilt in such high stake circumstances. Others thrive. One player in particular stood tall when City needed him.

Remember the name, Bobby Pointon.

What a truly fantastic home debut this proved to be for the 19-year-old youth product. Pointon flourished out wide and everything good about City came through him. He is a fun-size Phil Foden. Comfortable charging forward with the ball, taking people on, finding teammates with clever passes, and making intelligent runs.

Watch Pointon receive the ball, do something magical, and then look down at yourself – and I bet you’ll find you’re clinging to the edge of your seat.

What stands out right now is Pointon’s decision-making. You expect young players to make mistakes as they build up their knowledge, but Pointon seemed to get everything right. No City player who started the game had a better passing success rate that Pointon here. For someone so inexperienced to be so influential – and to embrace so much responsibility – is something to feel very excited about.

Let’s not get carried away and put too much pressure on the lad. But my goodness, we may have something special here. Take a bow, Bobby.  

Yet for all City’s improvement, they remained extremely limited in front of goal. Derbyshire has waited sometime to get a start, but did nothing to press his claims for more gametime here. Derbyshire struggled against a physical and imposing Grimsby backline, and lacked the pace to run in behind them. He cannot press, which means City cannot press. The 37-year-old might still offer something when playing alongside an Andy Cook or a Vadaine Oliver, but lone striker he is not.

Only he is the lone striker, of course. City went into this game with Derbyshire their only fit striker. And Hughes’ post-match admission that Cook could be out for up to a month means that City’s goalscoring problems are not going to be quickly solved. The absence of Cook, Oliver, Tyler Smith, Alex Pattison, Clarke Oduor, and Harry Chapman is huge right now. And – watching City huff and puff, but have so little up front in the second half here – you have to have some level of sympathy for Hughes.

Well, that is until you remember two very important words: Jake Young.

Yet when the second half went into a bit of a lull midway through, Hughes was able to further demonstrate the positive influence he can make. Derbyshire was taken off for Chisom Afoka with 23 minutes to go, and the on-loan Aston Villa winger’s direct running and skill on the ball caused problems for a tiring Grimsby backline. Afoka is raw for sure and got things wrong, but he invoked panic in the opposition and a buzz from the crowd. He could be a fun player. Tulloch also showed some promise.

It all looked in vain, until Gillead struck to make it 1-1. Inevitably Pointon was involved, stretching the Grimsby backline to leave room for Gilliead to run onto, and playing an incisive pass to the 27-year-old. A clever touch, a powerful strike, and the ball was in the back of the net. Valley Parade erupted. The mood music completely changed.  

The late drama saved Hughes from further supporter scrutiny. Criticism will inevitably still be aired over the coming days, but he will continue to be City manager for now. That said, he remains on that cliff edge, with his approval rating on the decline. He’s at the stage where anti Hughes chants and public dissent are still a little way off, but 20-page ‘Hughes out’ message board threads will be prevalent. That is to say, he can still just about turn it around.

What will help Hughes going forwards is if he takes on board the learnings from this game. This surely has to be the end to three at the back, at least for now. So far this season, Hughes has persisted with a formation supporters are not convinced by – and which players do not look fully comfortable operating within. It’s time to park ideals and to focus on getting the best out of what he has. If at 2pm next Saturday the Bradford City team sheet for the derby game with Harrogate shows three at the back, expect an almighty backlash.

Hughes worryingly spent some of his post-match interview with BBC Radio Leeds arguing the three at the back formation wasn’t the reason for City’s tepid first half display. He might have a point, but he’s not going to win this argument. Swallow your pride. Get your public back on side. Play in a way that best suits the hand you’ve been dealt. And in return, we promise not to mention the haphazard recruitment efforts that mean we now have six centre backs (and five full backs) on the books.  

In some ways, I do have empathy and understanding for Hughes right now, and the thinking behind the changes he’s implemented over the summer. In 2022/23, City ultimately delivered a par performance. They probably had around the fifth or sixth highest budget in the league, and that’s where they finished. A play off defeat was a reasonable return for the resources at Hughes’ disposal.

And when you could see the division was only going to be tougher this year, with at least four other teams overtaking City’s budget, in many ways he had to do something different. If Hughes had just carried on as he was – with basically the same personnel, formation and tactics – he would probably at best deliver another play off defeat this season. And that wouldn’t be enough, considering Hughes is in the final year of his contract, where realistically he has to deliver a promotion or his managerial career is over.

The ideals of going with three at the back and instil a high press were surely to make better use of the resources available. To overachieve in terms of the financial limitations at Valley Parade. But for whatever reason, the change in style is not making the City squad perform in a greater way than the sum of its parts. And has in fact resulted in a more cautious, defensive outlook. We’ve gone backwards.

In a recent superb piece by Not The Top 20 about the limitations of playing three at the back, Ali Maxwell wrote, “In a 3-5-2 system, your wing-backs have to impact the game offensively. If they don’t, and if the opposition have a decent out of possession structure, you’re likely going to be stodgy as hell.” That analysis pretty much summarises the first half here. And the word “stodgy” neatly describes much of City’s season so far.  

This more pragmatic sort of approach can be tolerated by smaller clubs with lower expectations. But not somewhere like Bradford City. No one is interested in the fact Wrexham, Notts County, Gillingham and others can outspend us. We want League Two dominance.

The problem for Hughes was just how committed he was to this three at the back idea. How much it influenced the summer recruitment approach. Leaving him with an unbalanced squad – and numbers weighed to play a certain way (sorry, we said we wouldn’t mention six centre backs again!) When competitive games have started up, it must have dawned on Hughes that it isn’t working. And so he has had to rely on the loan market to fix recruitment mistakes. Namely, to bring in wide attacking players to fill those gaps.

For Hughes, the worry right now is not so much that he’s in danger of losing his job through poor results – but that he’s already sealed his own fate. Because if the likes of Tulloch, Afoka and Adam Wilson don’t prove to be the answer to City’s dismal lack of goals, the dye is probably cast on their promotion prospects. Hughes (and Stephen Gent) have made some last minute gambles in the transfer market, who might yet be tasked with the role of saving City’s season.

Of course, it might all work out in the end. City might find a way to score goals. And when Cook is fit, he will hopefully revive his form of 2022/23. Right now though, the facts are that City have won only two of their opening seven games, are the second lowest scorers in the division, and have League Two’s 10th lowest shots on goal. They’ve netted fewer goals as a football club than the outcasted player that Hughes has loaned out to Swindon Town.

It all leaves one overarching question: has Hughes dug himself into a hole he can get out of, or has he dug his own grave?



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  1. An interesting view Jason, I’m not sure about Hughes playing the hand he has been dealt.
    He has had the full pack of cards, shuffled through them and still picked, in my view, a pretty poor selection.
    The three at the back has been a disaster, who would think that three particularly slow players would be caught out time and again.
    We have been shocking to watch, and now after over 60 years of attending I just cannot be bothered.
    Thank you Mark.

    • So after 60 years of attendance, under Taylor, Jackson, Hopkins, Bowyer and Adams, it’s Hughes who breaks the camels back? Unbelievable!!

    • Funny really. Last season, Hughes achieved the 7th highest points tally in the clubs history since 3 points for a win was introduced. Not one jot of recognition afforded to him for this.

      Sadly – and understandably – fans want it all. High scoring, entertaining and dominating football. I do get the frustration and the slide in popularity for Hughes at present, but I don’t feel the powers that be are hovering their finger over the ‘fired’ button just yet.

      He blew some big opportunities to secure a top 3 spot last season. He made a bizarre choice to substitute Banks in the Play-offs, and of course his cautious approach to football in general – particularly at home – has not got people’s pulses racing.

      This season he’s identified a system he thinks will work, but clearly doesn’t have the players – particularly at the back – to make it work. It’s been a stodgy start to the season indeed. However, rather solid I dare say. 2 defeats in 9 competitive matches hardly scream panic. Let’s just hope he recognises that 4 at the back is what works for the players he has, particularly after Saturday’s 2nd half showing.

      However John, Hughes has most certainly not had the full pack of cards. As Jason pointed out, Cook, Oliver, Chapman, Odour, Pattison and Smith have been missing. Absolutely integral to the way he wants to play, but cannot due their absence. All attacking options, which in part may explain the low goal return.

  2. Great article Jason (again) possibly one of the worse first half’s I’ve seen in 40 years of being at VP. In fact, I’m being too kind, could actually be the worse as the sum of the players is better than the selection or tactics.

    It would be (marginally) interesting to know the last time a 37/38 year old has been selected as a lone striker, not the fault of the player but definitely the responsibility of the manager.

    Nothing like the announced attendance today, certainly in our block in the main stand around 25% missing today, possibly the downside of cheap season tickets, 6,000 of which (club figures) are on monthly direct debit as well as Sky coverage, however lots of gaps at the Crewe match.

    In September four out of four games are at home, let’s use that to sort out tactics, selection and coaching.

  3. Great article as always – thank you! Wearing my positive and optimistic hat, I’d like to think that today has taught Hughes that 4-2-3-1 is the way forward, and that with Pointon and Walker, as well as Cook, Oduor and Pattison all back fit and playing, and with Jake Young recalled from his loan and embraced by Hughes, we can still be a very good team with lots of goals in us that start to dominate teams, and win the league – you never know – it might all happen!

  4. Headline off the city Facebook page “Mark Hughes was content with a point, after his side battled back to secure a 1-1 draw at the University of Bradford Stadium this afternoon.”

    Really Mark?? After 18 plus months in charge and probably signing more players than any other manager in city’s history are you honestly content with city’s current league position?? Our goals scored this season?? The result today?? And today’s first half performance??

    In football I don’t think managers usually get long enough in Jobs these days to have a proper opportunity to build their own team and their own squad so I hate calling for a managers head, but Mark Hughes must have signed 30 players now and the team/squad still looks disjointed. I’ve looked at the recent comments from Bradford City fans regarding Jake young on social media recently and although I agree with a lot of them i can’t help but think if he was still at our club he wouldn’t have scored half the goals he scored for Swindon or won the league two player of the month if he still played for us because of the negative football Hughes plays. They’ve scored 4 and 5 Goals In a game this season a couple of times, I honestly couldn’t see us scoring that In 3 games.

    A few weeks ago the league 2 team of the week contained young, eisa and foulds. All players at were at the club with Hughes but he couldn’t get anything out of them. Surely a good manager gets the best out of that he as got??

    I really hope Hughes can turn things around and I look stupid wrong this comment at the end of the seasons, I want to be positive about us but the performances up until now are draining that positivity out of me.

  5. Some thoughts after today:

    The entire fanbase has known for a few weeks we shouldn’t be playing with three at the back. It became very clear in the first game against Crawley on the opening day that this system wasn’t going to work.

    In trying to become a more solid unit at the back, we leave big gaps further up the pitch which make it difficult for us going forwards. With Smith/Pattison this is a less obvious issue, but it explains just why we’ve scored so few goals. It showed in the first half today when our defenders actually had nobody to play the ball to from the back and we created few chances – we also leave ourselves vulnerable to counter-attacks too when we do go forwards.

    It’s very obvious that 4-2-3-1 continues to be the perfect fit for us. The second-half was the proof we all needed:

    Ahead of Lewis in net, I think that Halliday-Platt-Stubbs-Richards seems to be a settled back four that works well together. Each of those players has somebody who can cover them now too.

    Gilliead’s energy when he came on today enabled Smallwood to sit deeper and control play more. I think with McDonald/Smallwood it’s one or the other – or else we risk being overrun by teams.

    We then have options on either wing who can cause problems. Whether it’s Pointon (how good was he today!) and Odour on the right; or Chapman / Tulloch on the left. We are also fortunate to have Pattison, Walker and Smith – all of who can play through the middle or on either side of the wing – even up-front if needs be. In fact, many of the players across the attacking ‘three’ can play in each other’s position which is very useful.

    Cook obviously starts up top, but once Oliver is back fit this system suits his play nicely too. Derbyshire is a decent option off the bench (see Stevenage, Grimsby and Carlisle from last season) but it wouldn’t hurt us to bring in a free agent if we’re likely to have injuries for some time. I expect Afoka might start up-front against Harrogate.

    When you read through the above, you quickly realise we do actually have a solid squad. Many of the players who got us into the play-offs last year are still here and we’ve made some useful additions (Pattison, Oduor, Richards stand out so far). We do really miss Banks & Crichlow; but hopefully the new loanees can impress in a similar way.

    If you look at the current top-seven, with the exception of ourselves and Stockport who sit outside, it’s pretty much exactly what you’d expect. I strongly doubt any of those teams at the top will drop out between now and April; but what I do know is we’re still only three points behind them.

    In fact, with the division being stronger this year, it’s harder for any one team to run away with it. Teams will continue to drop points as there are more tough fixtures. Now is the time to move back to a system that worked, with players who understand it, and get results that we need – while it’s still early days.

    We’ve had an average start & some frustrating results – but we’ve got a good team with character and lots of ability. We just need to remember this and change formation sooner rather than later. If we do, things will look better. Bring on next weekend.

  6. Anyone with an ounce of a football brain can see that from Sparks through to Trueman and Gent we have totally messed up our recruitment. Instead of adding perhaps half a dozen players of better quality going forward amd replacing Critchlow, we have essentially reset everything. We thus lost everything that the continuity of keeping a manager provides.

    It was clear early in the season that non of the player’s suited a back 3. For a team Hughes claimed as unified all we could see, and it contiinued today was arguing amongst the players

    ALL involved in recruitment need to OWN this mess. We have tried to copy Stevenage and Carlisle and got it badly wrong.

    We are now stuck with a team unable to play the system recruited for but arguably a weaker one when we will inevitably go back to a back 4. I’m no manager but predicted this after the first game, yet the powers that be cannot/ could not see it.

    You reap what you sow.

  7. Regarding Jake Young, if you haven’t heard, he scored another two goals today. That’s nine for the season. This got me thinking, for all the criticism I’ve given Hughes and Sparks handling of the situation with Young. They may come out of this farce of their own making inadvertently “smelling like roses.”

    I doubt anyone believes if Jake Young was still at City he would be the league’s top scorer. Hughes had lost all interest in him and according to the T&A he was offered to two National League teams who fortunately for City were rejected by Young.

    If Young stays at Swindon for the balance of the season and finishes the season with say 35 goals it’s realistic to think that he will attract interest from some big clubs. Optimistically, two or more Premier League clubs and a bidding war. If that happens we are talking millions.

  8. As you say You can’t ignore the first half because that’s the default set up. And it’s absolutely dire.
    When city set up like that it’s the worst I’ve ever seen from city in over thirty years bar none.
    Optimistically in July I wrote that we’d have switched to 4231 formation by October. We desperately need to switch to it on September.
    I’m not being a doom monger but teams that score as few goals as us right now inevitably get relegated. It’s goals we need. It’s giving our attacking end of the pitch the bal to make that happen and unfortunately with five at the back we just cut off the top line completely.
    Afraid to say we have to switch formation now and start scoring more goals immediately

  9. Another great article. The second half was a much better performance.

    • One massively annoying thing is the bringing back into defense all outfield players to defend corners ,free kicks and throws, especially as we have conceded over half the goals from exactly those tactics, and what showed it up was near the end we had one man up front who didnt go back, causing Grimsby to double up on him and pull one player out into midfield , let’s hope our manager saw and learned from this

  10. An article that, as ever, Jason, captures well my thinking, with your own good insight. Agree with the balance of the piece, and the sense it could be a pivot point. My own chat circle at the game, in the JCT600 stand is more measured than many I suspect. But you’re right that at half time, we were discussing Hughes’ survival timescales. For me, barring a long straight run of dismal defeats, has months at least, but he won’t survive until the end of the season unless we head back up to the right end of the table. I’ve noted that Bantam Progressivism is a phrase never used anymore, but drifting backwards this season is not an expectation option.

    The Jake Young saga, eerily reminiscent of the Eion Doyle one, at the same club, is adding to pressure on Hughes. Exactly what happened behind the scenes to freeze him out?

    But you’re right to dwell on the bright spot and spark of Bobby Pointon. Who knows what comes next, but it feels great to watch one of our own (did he used to sit n the kop, as a kid?) and we may fondly remember today for more important things than a scrabbled point, as the day we watched his first full City league start, and a key milestone in a great career.

  11. I don’t see how Hughes can revert to a back four. It would make four of his centre backs at any one time surplus to requirements. He could not accommodate both MacDonald and Smallwood. He would lose face. If he persists with the back five and loses, he’s damned as incompetent. If he changes and loses he’s blamed for swapping and changing. Even if he were to win people would blame him
    for being slow to catch on. It’s amazing how mistakes in football seem to compound each other. Signing the wrong players and letting Young go seem to be two sides of the same baseless coin. Pointon’s debut gave me the same sort of buzz as Bruce Bannister’s , if we’re talking homegrown players. Banny scored virtually with his first touch coming on as sub and then in the next match pulled off that stupendous flying overhead kick, arguably the most amazing goal ever at VP. Let’s hope young Bobby has as good a career. Currently we are relying on youngsters and unproven loanees to add the attacking threat. This is a ridiculous state of affairs bearing in mind the size of the squad. You don’t need a crystal ball to see trouble brewing, not least morale collapsing among the 11 players obliged to sit in the stands when all are fit.

    • Bruce Bannister had been in the team for quite a while before he scored the great overhead kick against Barnsley in 1968. He was a star of the great forward line in 67/68 of Hall, Bannister, Aimson, Leek and Rackstraw.

    • On occasions, I played in the same side as Bruce Bannister at school (Grange Boys Grammar) and he was without doubt the best schoolboy footballer I ever saw. He had an older brother called Billie, and when they played in the same side, all you ever heard during the game was “Here our kid”, “Here our kid”, as the two swapped passes, slicing through opposition defences like hot knives through butter.
      Later in his career, Bruce went to play for Bristol Rovers (I think), where he formed a formidable striking partnership was a forward called Warboys. They were so effective that they were given the epithet “Smash and Grab”, by the media. They were even featured on one of Saint and Greaves’s Saturday lunchtime review programmes (again I think).
      It was very common in those days for local lads to play for our local sides, both City and Avenue. As well as Bruce, I can recall Bobby Ham, Bruce Stowell and Ian Cooper. And there will be others who other of your readers will doubtless recall. Happy days.

    • Paul Aimson was the best centre forward I have seen in thr City team.
      York fans have the same impression

    • Paul Aimson was the best centre forward I have seen in thr City team.
      York fans have the same impression

  12. Good piece but the injury list is played down to much in my opinion most clubs would struggle with so many key players out.
    But the negative way of playing Hughes installs in his players no matter what system he uses will lead to his downfall.
    Playing out from the back and possession for possession sake is ineffective and boring as hell. However for the sake of the season he has to be given more time after all we are three points away from 5th and all to play for

  13. Hi Mitchell, I was in the Bradford End when Banny scored that never forgotten goal against Barnsley, I think.
    Your comments are spot on, as usual.
    I wouldn’t like to be the person, left to pick up the pieces, after Hughes departs.

    • So was I Steve. I still can’t believe Banny got so high and got such a perfect connection. I think his first goal was against Donny and the overhead kick as you say against was v Barnsley. Fortunately a press photographer got a still shot of it which was ripped out of the paper to adorn walls of pubs and barbers for several months.

  14. You mention the Smallwood pass for Halliday. That pass showed the weakness of this formation with our players. Smallwood hit that pass exactly where Halliday should have been.
    When playing 3-5-2 your wingbacks need to be as high as the centre midfielders if not higher thus having one more attacker than 4 at the back allows. However the wingbacks are playing as full backs and in effect we’re playing 5 at the back with two sitting midfielders. Halliday would take a throw in and we’d have 3 players ahead of him and 7 excluding Lewis behind the ball – just complete madness.
    Smallwood and McDonald look like they both have that quality to put a crossfield pass over the top for quick wingers to run on too. Smallwood is a cut above the rest however he is limited when we don’t play with wingers. It’s no coincidence last year that when we moved to chapman out wide everyone stopped slating Smallwood and started singing his praises. We need to play to our strengths not play a formation that doesn’t suit our personnel. I’m sure the formation would be great if we had the players to suit it….but we don’t.
    We are a good team with good players and depth. Get the formation right and we’ll soar

    • Will W. Some interesting comments there. I’ve looked at the hundreds of comments from the game and many are complaining about McDonald not being good enough. “.. Smallwood hit that pass exactly where Halliday should have been.” Yes. And I noticed (nobody else did it seems) that McDonald was on more than one occasion looking to pass the ball forward. Then he realised that there was nobody forward to pass to. Threw up his arms in disgust and passed it sideways or backwards. “McDonald and Smallwood can’t play together. Too alike.”. Maybe they can. We just need other players to be in a position whereby they can move the ball forward.

      • Completely agree. I don’t see why they can’t play together. They both can run the show with quality balls out wide and over the top. Both had to persistently look sideways yesterday as it was clear to them that there was no proper option in front of them.

      • Neither have the legs to get to back after a forward run. So they don’t make forward runs. They haven’t got the legs to challenge high up the pitch, so instead they drop back (Smallwood especially calling other to also drop back to keep the shape). Add to this Cook/ Derbyshire and all the central defenders and you don’t have enough mobility to play them both. Either one or the other, or even neither but never both.

  15. Play whatever formation you like, the biggest difference in the 2nd half was urgency and players moving off the ball and offering themselves. Even then we still didn’t create a single good chance.

    Let’s not pretend that 4-2-3-1 is the panacea. Lack of goals was our downfall last season and it’ll continue to be if we approach games like that from the start. It’s bordering on arrogance that we think we can play at such a pace and the opposition will somehow surrender.

  16. Whilst stats are not the answer to the problems they do help encapsulate the issues in what is a very opinion-based subject.

    I just did a quick analysis of 82 League 2 games so far this season:

    City (out of 24 teams)
    16th Points earned
    13th Shots taken
    12th Shots on target
    20th Goals scored
    21th Corners won
    8th Ave possession (Average of an average so not perfect but indicative)
    7th Goals conceded (joint)

    Pretty much backs up the fans observational feelings that:
    – we lack any creativity to force chances or maximise goal scoring chances by winning corners
    – the number of points we have earned isn’t too dissimilar to our lack of attacking threat
    – our top-end average possession MAY be helping keep the goals conceded down, however if this doesn’t translate in to elevated points earned then its a meaningless stat to hang your hat on as a manager

    Its early days on the stats but the only two teams that are a huge outlier for shots/points /possession

    – Derek Adams with Morecambe getting 1 more point than City with half the shots and only 37% possession on average
    – Gillingham who look like they are trying to break the old “1-0 to the Arsenal” record this season (all five of their league wins being 1-0)

    It will be really interesting to see if Hughes continues like this and how the data matches up with a greater sample under the belt and the gaps start widening between clubs up and down the ladder.

  17. The only thing that is standing in the way of this promising squad is Hughes.

  18. Unfortunately the present situation, not just at City but throughout the game is as a result of fans putting pressure on clubs, managers and players to be successful a At the expense of entertainment.
    Who can blame managers for being cautious (MH) if he wants/needs to retain his job and reputation. Read MH or any other managers.
    On the other hand what seems to be forgotten is that football.is part of the entertainment industry and what we are currently seeing is results led rather than attempt to entertalin.
    So the nett result at the very top of the game is we have clubs ‘buying’ titles with the rest of the PL just there as cannon fodder.
    Further down.we have three divisions of clubs who simply exist living on the scraps with no real chance of ever dining at the top table.
    Fans largely creates this..

  19. A few observations from someone across the pond. I always thought to play 3 at the back you need 2 CB’s and a guy with a bit of pace and ability to distribute the ball, i.e a sweeper, not 3 CB’s and also 2 attack minded full backs. I think of our 6 CB’s or is it 7 now, possibly only the new boy from Norwich may be able to play as a sweeper and given his inexperience it might be asking too much of him.
    Worst manager in my time, 1977 to 2005 when I moved overseas, John Docherty. Awful to watch and totally ineffective. Only good thing about him, he did bring a few good players to the club. John Napier was a bad manager who I had no time for, as well.
    Re: sending players to Swindon, I think Doyle and Young are different cases altogether. I honestly have to admit I know nothing about what has happened between Hughes and Young. Doyle I never liked and feel he could have played 100 games for City and not scored. His heart wasn’t in it and his goal output at Swindon dropped to I think 2 or 3 after he went back there. Admittedly the season ended early due to covid. He soon dropped Swindon and moved to Bolton, though. Young, I don’t know. He is there until January, so we have to just get over it and see what happens then.
    Overhead kicks, BB was before my time, but I well remember Danny Forrest’s. What a pity he never fulfilled his potential. Who could forget Stan the Man’s v scum. I don’t remember anymore, though a guy who’s name I always forget scored one at Grimsby a few years ago.
    Anyway sorry for rambling, but I still miss those days at VP and traveling up and down the country. Hope it gets better because we do have some decent players and if someone gets it right, who knows?

    • Instead of using the Spanish holiday as a way of humiliating Young into doing as he was told it should have been used to draw a line under the incident. Have an open and honest exchange, An end to the bad feelings, followed by a team building holiday. I don’t know what Young did to upset Hughes but surely it was manageable. The whole saga in my opinion shows Hughes to be a poor and arrogant leader. at the end of the day it’s the well being of the club and not his personal feelings that matters.

  20. Lee Novak, the name I was looking for. Always thought he was a decent player.

  21. What I don’t understand is why noone questions why Jake Young didn’t play at Barrow. Did he have an attitude problem last year which has been resolved by moving away from home?