
| Bradford City 1 |
| Walker 90+5 |
| Harrogate Town 1 |
| Daly 78 |
By Jason McKeown
On an afternoon soundtracked with boos, it was the day’s final outburst of jeering that could yet prove the most significant to Mark Hughes’ future.
The full time whistle had blown – to boos of course – and supporters began to head home. After going around to shake the hands of their opponents, the Bradford City players made their way over to the Kop to applaud those yet to leave. Fans clapped back. Then Hughes came over to join them.
And it turned again.
Boos rang out towards the City manager. There was no escaping who they were directed at. Hughes knew it too. He had nowhere to hide. He had to take the catcalls. Accept the heckles. And with it, Hughes’ relationship with Bradford City supporters is badly damaged. Possibly beyond repair.
What made it all even more stark was that the ending to the game had called for a very different mood. Last minute goals should be the source of unbridled joy. Moments to go absolutely crazy on the field and in the stands. Excitement. Pleasure. Relief. Yet in my 26 years supporting Bradford City, I’ve never seen a last minute goal trigger such a flat reaction as Jamie Walker’s 95th minute header here.
I’m not sure everyone in the stadium of a Bradford City persuasion was entirely happy about the goal. That sounds crazy to write – I mean, what football supporter doesn’t want their team to avoid defeat? But, as the knives sharpened towards Hughes and a parting of ways began to feel very plausible, Walker’s goal muddies the waters. It possibly saves Hughes from the sack. Or at the very least, makes it a harder decision. And after another 90 minutes of turgid football, there weren’t many people who at that particular moment relished the idea of this continuing any longer.
It’s become a really difficult situation. The City owner and chairman, Stefan Rupp, was a surprise attendee here. And rumours circulated before kick off that defeat for Hughes would result in the sack. It has been suggested that – after August’s pitiful defeat to Morecambe – strong words were expressed by Ryan Sparks to Hughes. Evidence of improvement was quickly needed, and still is.
Weirdly, City are unbeaten in five games since that Morecambe defeat. But that run includes four consecutive draws, each performance less than convincing than the one before it. At this point here – where Hughes needed his charges to put in a convincing display and beat opponents in even worse form – City once again stuttered.
It was just so painful to watch. Hughes had at least ditched the unpopular three at the back, with City back in their more comfortable 4-2-3-1. But with Andy Cook and Alex Pattison still injured – not to mention long-term absentees Vadaine Oliver and Harry Chapman – the team just didn’t click going forwards.
We saw lots of City possession. Lots and lots. Passes sideways, passes backwards, passes a little forwards, and then passes sideways again. They play some good stuff at times and knock it around just fine in two thirds of the pitch. But actually offering a reliable, potent goal threat looks beyond them. They’re stuck in slow motion, and just can’t up the tempo when they get near the opposition box.
Once again, City were relying on the perfect pass to get through. So many times, Walker, Richie Smallwood and Alex Gilliead would have the ball in the middle, and attempt to spray it into space for full backs Lewis Richards and Brad Halliday to run onto. So many times, the attempted pass was just slightly ahead of its target, or just behind, or cut out. Harrogate maintained a good off-the-ball shape ball and sat back. They waited for City to eventually make the mistake, before clearing their lines. And the visitors’ threat on the counter attack was occasionally hinted at.
It didn’t help, in the first half at least, that full debutant Chisom Afoka was leading the Bantams’ line on his own. The Aston Villa loanee shows promise taking people on, but he could not hold up the ball. Trying to get possession to Afoka usually resulted in the City attack breaking down. In the first half, not a single player on the pitch had a lower pass success rate than Afoka’s 63%.
So boos at half time, which would only be the warm up to what was to follow. City did at least improve after the break, with Hughes tweaking the formation to push Gilliead closer to Bobby Pointon and Walker higher up alongside Afoka. It was almost – almost – a 4-4-2, and the players looked better for it. Afoka proved more effective taking up slightly deeper positions and carrying the ball forward. Clarke Oduor – anonymous for much of the first half – become more involved. Just like the second half against Grimsby last week, all of City’s best play came through Pointon and Gilliead.
The door began to be knocked on that bit louder. And it felt like City were on the brink of finding the breakthrough. But two moments took away their slowly gathering momentum, and soon after they fell behind.
Firstly, after a spell of City pressure where they had finally upped the tempo, Harrogate’s George Thomson went down injured for a lengthy spell – he was ultimately taken off for former Bantams midfielder Levi Sutton. Then, after a further six minutes of game time that just didn’t get going again, Hughes made a triple change that invoked a mixed reaction.
There were sarcastic cheers to greet the withdrawal of Richie Smallwood, after yet another hugely underwhelming display from the City skipper. And then, the fact Pointon was taken off attracted faint boos. It was all getting more toxic.
Then, before two of the three new arrivals – Adam Wilson and Tyler Smith – had even touched the ball, Harrogate scored. Chaotic defending allowed Luke Armstrong to play Matty Daly through unmarked, and the former City loanee – a player at the club when Hughes took over, but who he started just once, finished well past Harry Lewis. Nail. In. Coffin.
The final 12 minutes were eerily strange. City huffed and puffed, but lacked quality. They offered up limited fight, as though they were being pulled down by their draining confidence. The crowd grew more and more restless, with some boos as the ball was played around at the back. Many headed for the exits. There was no Grimsby fans to start up a “sacked in the morning” chant, so several people in the Kop got one going instead.
Then came the unlikely redemption, where Walker was left free when a high ball was launched into the box by Halliday, and Mark Oxley made the ill-judged decision to race off his line, giving the Scot the chance to direct a header over the Town goalkeeper and into the unguarded net.
It was a clever goal from Walker. Only moments earlier City had pumped a ball into a box that former Bantam Anthony O’Connor had cleared. O’Connor turned around and yelled at Oxley that he should have come off his line to claim it. Walker was stood by O’Connor and took note. He guessed correctly that the next time a ball was pumped in, Oxley would race out, and positioned himself to benefit.
Cue the muted, stale celebrations. By this point, there was just too much anger in the crowd. Too much disappointment. We felt let down by what we had seen over the 94 minutes. Let down by the players. And most crucially of all, let down by Hughes. It was difficult at that moment to feel jubilant about watching someone cash in their get out of jail free card.
And of course, it runs deeper than that. On Rupp’s first visit to Valley Parade since the vibrant, exciting and passionate occasion of the play off semi final leg against Carlisle United last May, the German must have felt like he was sat in a completely different stadium. Where there was so much colour then, there is now greyness. Where there were such feverish levels of support for Hughes then, there is now rising anger.
The frustrations that spilled out today were not merely a product of failing to beat the most goal-shy team in League Two at home. They have been brewing for weeks. Months even, if you throw in the disappointment at the way the Carlisle United play off second leg was mismanaged. Since then, there’s been a less than inspiring transfer window, an unpopular persistence with a formation that wasn’t working, tepid performances, and just two wins from the first eight league matches.
The biggest problem for Hughes is the growing dissidence between the way he is managing the club and what supporters want. It goes beyond just results. It’s the decline in the level of entertainment. The growing evidence of mistakes in the players signed, moved on and kept faith with. And yes, it could still all come good, but it feels that patience is all but exhausted. Getting Cook and Pattison back will clearly help this team do better, but it seems increasingly unlikely it will fix all the problems.
Hughes didn’t lose this game, but he did lose his public.
I do not envy the decisions facing Rupp and Sparks right now. Do you pull the trigger at this point, when it’s still so early in the season, when there are mitigating factors for the stuttering form, and when results might not be great, but aren’t terrible? Or do you stick with the plan knowing that, the longer you persist with Hughes and things don’t improve, the less chance there is for someone else to come in and have time to make City promotion contenders?
For what it’s worth, I would not sack Hughes right now. But I struggle to put up a compelling argument as to why he should stay. There are too many people with opinions I hugely respect who now want a change. The discontent cannot be written off as keyboard warriors, or boo-boys and girls, who have no sense of perspective. It is real and – here today – it was vocal.
All I can say is, I find this all really depressing and sad. When Hughes was booed as he came over to the Kop, it broke my heart. I believe Hughes’ arrival at the club in February 2022 was a huge boost to the club. It gave us back respectability when it felt like we’d become a basket case. And though last season wasn’t perfect, I really enjoyed what Hughes tried to do and how close we came to promotion. During that end of season run-in especially, I felt more engaged with the club than I have for years.
More than anything else, Hughes comes across as a really decent man. Happy, grateful and proud to be here. Giving his all to turn around the club. Not because he needs the money or anything, but because he just loves football management so much that he’d rather manage in League Two than not at all. He is a great ambassador for the club. A person you are proud to have represent Bradford City.
This is not like Derek Adams, who came across so cold and arrogant from day one. The Scot made no attempt to forge any sort of relationship with us supporters, and his post-match interview belligerence elicited little sympathy when the boos and taunts came his way at the end. Driving Adams away felt just and right. Driving Hughes away doesn’t feel nice.
If we’re about to see the end of Hughes as Bradford City manager, it will genuinely be sad that it has all unravelled like this. An era that promised so much does not deserve to end in a flurry of boos.
Maybe this is the low point before it all gets better. And that Hughes will ultimately triumph after all. But right now, in the aftermath of an afternoon of high emotions, it’s hard to see how this story is going to have a happy ending.
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I live in Cornwall so I don’t get to see the football, I rely on sites such as this and fans feedback to judge whether we’re playing well or not.
I rely on the weight of opinion….at the moment the weight of opinion appears to be in the balance. We’re not playing well, we’re not entertaining and it appears baffling why it’s gone from a play off side to one with little idea.
However heavily counteracting this seems to be the opinion why sack yet another manager? Does that help, from experience we have to agree it doesn’t seem to have helped before.
Remote as I am from Bradford I stood talking to a Bantam in the supermarket in Cornwall today, from Bradford. We both stood talking like a very confused pair of old men, what has gone wrong with a manager with his massive experience? Why are things not working? Why are the players struggling? We stood and continued to look confused with little to say.
So I remain on the fence, confused and unsure what on Earth BCAFC should do next.
As usual Jason 100% bang on
Quite simply – NO!
Hughes out!
Really hughes lost his chance last season
We had a promotion squad in a poor league
This season we have a muddled squad in a tough league
He will be gone at some point this season and we need better
Sparks is not good enough to be making the decision on who comes next
And who do you think could do a better job?Apart from Jewell and Parkinson theres no one.Your Watching a bum club.No money,no ground,hired training facilities,Give your head a shake.If they dont make it here they go on the managers scrap heap.Alex Fergusson couldnt do any thing at Bradford.
Why should someone who i presume is not a professional within the football industry have to answer this question? Bit ridiculous asking it in my opinion.
Saturday 24th September 2022 – Bradford City 2 AFC Wimbledon 2.
Just short of a year ago Vadaine Oliver equalised in the 95th minute against AFC Wimbledon. I remember the equaliser well, The roar, The passion, The charge down the kop.
A year later and i don’t feel i’ve ever experienced an uninspiring equaliser. It just shows how times have changed and how the end is near for Mark Hughes.
The ultimate question remains…… Who is responsible. People will point the fingers at Mark Hughes, Others will look towards Recruitment and Ryan Sparkes. Other’s will point to the lack of investment from Rupp.
My personal view is that all are responsible. The biggest problem is where does the answer lie?
From what i’ve seen on the pitch Mark Hughes has lost the dressing room. It can’t go unnoticed that Jake Young, Ryan East and many more players haven’t been treated well. The team looks void of confidence and team spirit. All we ask for at City is a team to play for the shirt and show desire and passion. It would be a fair reflection to say at the moment it’s non existent and i don’t see that at all changing.
Ryan Sparks and Stephen Gent need to also take responsibility. Recruitment has been appalling and it would be fair to say this isn’t the first season either. We’ve seen a revolving door of loan signings with very few making any impact. This season we’ve taken an approach to go with youth rather than experience and that showed today. The players look lost with little leadership, Players look unfit and there doesn’t seem to be the togetherness of previous seasons.
Questions remain about the intention of Rupp and his plans. Hopefully the rumours of a takeover will bring a fresh input however one can not feel anxious given what we’ve seen at other clubs.
Whatever happens from today going forward, It’s gonna take a lot to stop the revolt. I feel Hughes time may well be up but who replaces him if Sparkes pulls the trigger?
A big few weeks lie ahead but i think one thing all city fans can agree on is that this is no suprise and the writing was on the wall against Crawley.
The question is does Hughes get the best out of his squad? If yes then it’s fair to start pointing fingers at others. But in my opinion he doesn’t.
This squad and set up is so far away from being at the standard required to go up that Hughes leaving is an inevitability. A matter of when not if.
The argument against giving him more time is that the problems have been apparent for months, going back to last season, and rather than look like he’s sorting them, we are going backwards. The shape in the 4-2-3-1 was much better than the five at the back, but the team today had the same weaknesses as the one that ended last season (with Odour and Afoka in place of the superior Banks and Cook). With no Cook to bail us out, our results have reverted to match the performances.
Hgg
The team started today with the urgency that was asked for. Had we scored in the first twenty minutes I think we’d have won comfortably. As it was we lacked the ability to finish and we missed the guys currently sitting it out with injuries. With Cook or Pattinson in the team we’d have seen a different performance.
I think it’s clear that Mark Hughes feels under pressure and his triple substitution had the feel of it. I thought it was a mistake bringing Smallwood off and I thought we actually lost composure when he left the field.
The talk about sacking the manager at this stage is ludicrous but it seems that many fans have their minds made up and MH likely can’t do right for doing wrong. It certainly doesn’t help things to resort to the booing.
Twitter has been in meltdown this evening with the kneejerk call for new ownership. A new owner is not necessarily the same as a better owner or indeed one with the wealth and the willingness to throw money at the club.
Lest we forget, we all welcomed MH being appointed as manager and none of us were complaining about Stefan Rupp backing him. Those suggesting that the management of the club is abysmal overlook the fact that off-field commercial activity at VP is more successful now than it ever has been. But of course facts can’t get in the way of emotive statements and the pathological negativity that seems to be ingrained.
Good points, especially regarding the off field work done regarding the commercial work done by Ryan Sparkes and all his team, and that could be the catalyst for changing the management . The club will already be looking to next season, Sponsors being approached, boxes being sorted etc. After the game i went into one of the boxes and the overwhelming impression i got was that the entertainment value football wise is nil, and these people are those paying premium prices to watch , add to this the inevitable fall in season ticket sales , and promotion is getting further away. I understand the view of many regarding sacking managers, however, Hughes is in his second season, it could be said this is his first full one, so ,his recruitment plan has been, well, bizarre, players brought in and then shipped out on loan, falling out with at least one player who obviously has something to offer and the stubborn attitude of playing from the back and across, bringing all the outfield players back at the drop of a hat, simply allowing the opposition time to pick up any clearance and continue to press, the list goes on , The club is on the up ,sell out away games, sponsors apparently still coming in to fill the void caused by Mittons sad demise, But the truth is that without a massive improvement in onfield activity, that can wither away, especially in the current financial situation, and, without that improvement, rapidly, Hughes has to go.
Nothing kneejerk regarding the fans reaction to the game, it was born out of everything theyve seen since his arrival to the club.
Many of us can see already this season is heading for lower mid-table, and there’s nothing in MH’s locker to suggest any different.
Back in the 60’s and 70’s we accepted our positjon in the FL, this club has grown and fans demand Championship football, and many of us are now impatient and weary of the garbage we’re served up.
Its not too much to ask when we’re seeing the likes of Plymouth, Huddersfield, Rotherham up there.And recent rivals Stevenage challenging.
Ive no issue at all with RS’s marketing of the club, he does a fine job, particularly as its well documented we’re very much self-subtainable and not no investment from our owner, however that doesn’t give us fixtures against Leeds, Leicester, Sheff Wed etc..
I look forward to your comments in January when youre on board with a rapidly growing consensus of the fan-base.
I share your frustration. I’m not saying that Mark Hughes is beyond criticism but that it is wrong to be calling for him to be sacked now. Six weeks hence if there is no sign of change with the return of injured players and if we are dumped out of two cups it will be difficult to justify the status quo. Sadly I think that the vocal fans have already turned and that MH has already lost considerable support. I find it sad that we will be back to the same old manager merry go round, as much because I think MH is a decent guy.
‘pathological negativity’, that’s the one.
What’s going on there? I get the feeling there are some fans who are only too keen for Mark Hughes’ reign to turn into another managerial psychodrama at Bradford City.
Is there a psychologist in the house?
Is it simply because social media exists now? Where the keyboard warriors who are looking for something to vent about, have undue influence on the wider fanbase and repeatedly manage to turn any tricky little situation at the club completely toxic.
No CEO in his right mind would be considering sacking the best-qualified coach they’ve ever had, who led the team to their highest position in years only weeks ago, at this point in the season, following four draws and a win! The only reason to sack him at this point, would be because the fans have gone toxic, again. So the problem is the fans. Sack the fans! Simples
I’m only half-joking. I think Ryan Sparks said himself that he may have been too fast to pull the trigger in the past. Now the fans have got so used to getting what they want (a brand new manager to demand to be sacked) that they think it’s coming in the morning. Time to do what’s right for the club, Mr Sparks, by defying the fans this time, and breaking the spiral of doom.
I really agree with and support this comment. Hughes isn’t immune from the sack but right now is not enough evidence to mail that coffin.
Picture might be different in 6-8 weeks time
I personally hope the team have turned a corner and seen a Pete be honest spectacular uptick in performances
God what is going on with the fans ,its very early in the season with a lot of our best players on the way back ,in the next few weeks.I think the end of season play offs is stiil very raw with the supporters and the way it was badley managed by the manager. We must pull together and give him time to see what happens with all the players back ,but there always a but ,i would not give the management another transfer window if there is no inprovement in the way we play and points on the board to get us back into the promotion pack.
Your report as always is spot on Jason, sometimes it can make replying hard because you cover everything so well.
The whole situation at the club as left me compromised and confused, Mark Hughes as always seemed a great guy and I’ve wanted him to do well. I thought he was a right coup when we first got him and I thought the teams performances really picked up for the remainder of that sesson. Then felt the club really backed him that summer in the transfer window.
Which brings us to last season, even though we finished in the play offs (which i would have happily taken at the beginning of the season) I couldn’t help feeling underwhelmed, I felt that if cook got injured and Lewis lost form we would be closer to the bottom of the table than the top. I found the tactics in most of the games negative and boring we just didn’t seem like a promotion winning team to me, but it was our best season league position wise for years so even though I didn’t enjoy a lot of the games you couldn’t argue that position wise we didn’t improve.
This season the performances aren’t much worse than last season’s but Cook didn’t score in the first couple of games and as since been injured. Last season if cook didn’t score then we struggled to score. It wasn’t like our players were missing loads of goalscoring opportunies, we just struggled to create much at all. When you are grinding out results like we did last season people will be a little bit more forgiving of the negative/boring football.
Should Mark Hughes stay or go is an hard one. A couple of good results we could right back up there, we’ve got some important players out injured that any club at our level would miss, but once a manager loses the fans it’s hard if not impossible to get them back onside. In my opinion the last two home attendances have been much lower than what they’ve announced so people might already be voting with their feet. If we are going to part company with Hughes then we don’t want to leave it too long because the squad looks disjointed so we need any replacement time to assess what he needs before the transfer window reopens
I will take one paragraph from Jason :
“All I can say is, I find this all really depressing and sad. When Hughes was booed as he came over to the Kop, it broke my heart. I believe Hughes’ arrival at the club in February 2022 was a huge boost to the club. It gave us back respectability when it felt like we’d become a basket case. And though last season wasn’t perfect, I really enjoyed what Hughes tried to do and how close we came to promotion. During that end of season run-in especially, I felt more engaged with the club than I have for years”
I completely agree with the above words and totally disagree that we should part with Mark Hughes. I haven’t felt so happy watching City since Stuart was in charge. This manager has brought the majority of supporters together again and made Valley Parade a great place to be. I firmly believe he will get it right eventually.
And for goodness sake we’ve had so many awful managers over recent years!
Keep the faith and back Mark Hughes.
Hughes has failed. He failed last year in a weak division. He hasn’t improved a single player, even Cook (who our fans seem to think only came good last year ignoring his first 9/10 months) who when asked about his form didn’t even mention Hughes.
He hounds out good young talent (Young, east, Foulds, Odusina) and persists with past it players who offer nothing (Smallwood, Derbyshire, Ridehalgh, Clayton, Taylor).
He even barely played Banks until Wright went, and Wright was a gamble because he wanted Pereira (who he then didn’t play). He wanted rid of Cook as well until he banged in goals left, right & centre. He refused to play Chapman as winger after Walker came back until desperate.
He constantly brings on Osadebe who looks like he’s never seen a football, let alone controlled one.
I could list countless arguments, including taking the armband off Gilly after a MOM performance just so he could get a underperforming Smallwood back in.
He’s been bad since he’s been here, we were just so relieved it wasn’t Adams we put up with it. We’ve now had about 5 years of poor football at VP and the fans are rightfully turning.
He’s a bad manager, a truly awful manger and the game will be better off after he retires.
I can’t see MH improving City now. He has had plenty of time. I think Ryan will give him the nod to resign quite soon.
Trouble is, who is going to take on this poisoned chalice.
Maybe we need to try a Spanish coach .
The key which lots of managers don’t understand is the word ‘entertainment’.
Entertainment is wingers beating full backs and whipping crosses in.
Entertainment is shooting on sight from the edge of the box
Entertainment is winning the ball in midfield and spraying passes out to the wingers.
Remember that.
Entertainment is scoring more than one goal.
3-2 2-2 4-2 or even 2-0.
Remember that.
Entertainment is not passing backwards or across the back line.
It’s OK to have crowds of 17k plus but if only 15k are there doesn’t that tell those that run and own the club something?
Sort it out City.
We deserve better.
We are not a Crawley, Harrogate or even Wrexham.
We should be in higher division with our potential.
It’s criminal that we battle away in a power division.
Sort it out and let’s move forward.
Totally disagree.
If I was looking for ‘entertainment’ I’d have given up supporting Bradford City 30 years ago!
It’s much more important than that.
Superb comments Mark
Thank you. I don’t know how anybody can disagree.
Any other form.of ‘entertainment’ and people wouldn’t be going to watch it. Its only because a football club has this bizarre loyalty from its customers that we get 15k 17k whatever. We deserve better. The support given by the Bradford public over the years is unparalleled yet here we sit in League 2. I am not one for changing managers at the drop of a hat but they need to give us something back.
The danger of sacking Hughes is that there is no ready replacement so we end up with someone worse. The problems relate in my view to missing key players and having to play players that are not in form. An example is a clumsy pass from Smallwood deep in city’s half straight to a Harrogate player. There are other examples. Hughes hands are tied. There isn’t a ready replacement. I believe Hughes should be retained until his key players become available (Cook, Pattinson, Oliver and Chapman). If after they become available and the poor form continues, then Hughes should fall on his sword. I suppose there is a risk that the pressure for getting players back too soon would increase the risk of injury.
I agree, there seems to be a situation of getting bums on seats rather than quality and getting players that will make a positive contribution. What Gent is doing, I just don’t know! He is our head of recruitment but I suspect he is clueless of finding players that fit the way we are set up. As a foot note, a point is a point. At least we battled to the end.
Too much focus at the club for years getting bums on seats rather than entertaining mangers who can get bums off seats ! Sure he will have had a nudge from SR that’s entertainment must be part of the focus. I expect to see the handbrake off a few risks taken and a review in mid October. However – You don’t sack a manager who’s 5 unbeaten and got us to playoffs last time without given him a few nudges first. If we had won yesterday and played the same way we wouldn’t be anywhere near this carnage of a reaction. Sure there would be a few moans but it would change the perspective no end. We have a squad that is confused and some unsure what they are doing here but that is normal to a degree after a transfer window when you aren’t winning enough and changed a system around. Things will settle with a few wins and we will come to realise that all of this is sadly down to a lack of investment. Yeah MH isn’t a risk taker manager etc but my goodness we are in better hands than we realise.
Like the vast majority, I was so happy when Mark Hughes was announced as our new manager, he seemed a fantastic appointment. I’ve always been patient & supportive despite the Play Off disappointment last season, & the poor start this time. Partly due to our manager’s high profile, obvious experience, & for some desperately needed stability at the Club. I’ve been slow to call for his sacking now because, if Hughes goes, that for me would be a clear Club admition of yet another Hugh failure, I suppose. But also, my concerns go far deeper than afew poor results & dire performances. That’s my REAL worry right now. I’m concerned about some of our players, about Ryan Sparks in his role, the Board in theirs, the scouting team in theirs, & the whole feel around the Club In general is definitely not one of hope & expectation. In Hughes pre match interview before our derby with Harrogate, he was asked if ‘this was a must win game’. His reply for me was alarmingly telling. With arms folded & a disinterested defensive appearance, ‘No it’s not a must win game’, he replied. I was shocked, & pretty angry at that, from a Bradford City manager. A better reply might have been, ‘absolutely this is a must win game’, every game we play is a must win game for this Club’. We’re Bradford City, we’ve had Chris Waddle, Bobby Campbell, Dean Saunders, Stuart McCall, England, Northern Ireland, Wales & Scotland internationals at Valley Parade in our fairly recent history. As a lifelong fan of Bradford City, even if we played Thackley Reserves, its a ‘must win game’. It’s that passion I want to see from our manager, our players & the Board. These are all my concerns, & not simply sach Hughes & all will be well idea.
For any football Club to be successful, it needs confidence, belief, & passion, & the right team mentality in my humble opinion. My real worry right now, is we seem to have precious little of these.
Since the managerial merry go round started at Bradford City, one variable that hasn’t changed is the fans and I don’t think we talk enough about the negative impact our fans have on the players.
I’ve spent some time reflecting on my attitude to Bradford City games, particularly at home in league two and I think I may be part of the performance problem.
Firstly, I’ve had some fantastic memories of the fans at Valley Parade, league cup 2013 and Premier League 1999/00 up there with the best. Those two memories had one thing in common – low expectations, underdogs.
Since our return to league two in 2019, we have finished 9th, 15th, 14th and play offs last season. We have also had five different managers. Two things to infer from that: 1. There is limited reason to “expect” a higher finish than mid table based on the last four seasons and 2. Changing managers has only materially improved our finish once – Mark Hughes 2022/23
As fans, we have set crazily high expectations that the team will win most, if not all, weeks at home and turn on the manager when those expectations are not met. These expectations are heightened to beyond crazy when teams, such as Harrogate, turn up having not scored for 10 hours. Ultimately, the BCFC team and the manager always fall short.
Cue the booing and Hughes out brigade.
How different a place would Valley Parade be if that booing was turned into something more positive and motivational? 1-0 down at home to Harrogate – instead of boo, maybe as fans we can do something differently to actually motivate the players. Surely, that is the true power of having almost 20k fans in the ground every week.
Often , your greatest strength is your greatest weakness. In the case of Bradford City, I think it’s the size of the fan base.
It’s our greatest strength in terms of investment and when we are the underdogs.
It’s our greatest weakness when we don’t win – and unfortunately, based on our recent record, we definitely aren’t going to win most of the time.
Regarding the fans to be fair it is hard to get behind the team at valley parade and create a good atmosphere because the football on offer is so boring and poor and as been now for a long long time. We are not that enjoyable to watch and that does kill the atmosphere a lot.
Quite honestly I just do not know where we go from here , October looks a tough fixture month a make or break one for me let’s just sit tight and keep our fingers crossed that things improve if not then it’s over to the powers that be .
I so want MH to succeed but things need to change quickly
Once he saw that Harrogate were defending deep and our lone striker was struggling he could have played 2 up front without any real risk. He didn’t.
Yesterday i-followed on audio. Sounds like we need to move the ball quicker. We may lose out on some possession but catching the opposition before they reset surely increases chances to score. More sparkinessplease.
I commented at the end of last season that from the close of the January window we should have been playing with more aggression, this I believe would have allowed us to get into the automatic places and gain promotion. We failed and this is the result. We need to be on the front foot and really punish teams, not looking for the perfect pass to unlock teams. It’s that simple.
I came away depressed yesterday. Depressed at the result, depressed at the performance, depressed it was Harrogate but more depressed at the crowd.
Cook, Pattison, Chapman, Oliver presumably Derbyshire. Injury wracked.
A front line that is very young raw and lacking EFL experience. All showing promise but they need to be supplementing those players named above.
We started well yesterday- a real tempo and desire. Harrogate frustrated City by slowing the game down and packing the defence. Weaver said that was the plan and how the crowd would turn against City. We didn’t disappoint.
Afoka miskicked and the crowd laughed and jeered him. That will really help him! I’m sure I heard “Matty Foulds he’s one of our own”, the booing of Smallwood, the jeering of Hughes, the booing of Stubbs as he didn’t just the launch the ball forward to the 5’10” striker (instead he played a pass, drew a foul and we then scored).
I am terribly disappointed with the way the season has started and to struggle against Harrogate, my home town, is the lowest of the lows for me, but get real, almost half the starting XI is injured.
We will never succeed until we support the club. Get behind Sparks, Hughes et al.
I think the effect of the injury situation has been overstated. Cook was never going to reproduce last season’s sparkling goal scoring exploits. Indeed, he came back looking overweight and his early season form indicated we couldn’t expect him to replicate last season. Pattison looked a good signing and I’d accept he’s been missed. Chapman was an average performer and we should have been able to, at least, compensate for his loss from within the bloated squad, now at the manager’s displosal. Oliver hardly started last season and his substitute appearances left many fans wondering why we ever signed him. Derbyshire’s relatively short career has been punctuated by injury and the odd twenty minute sub appearance. As you can’t “lose” what you never “had”, he’s hardly a loss if, as you assumed, he was injured yesterday. Any of us who saw his inept performance against Grimsby, would more than likely assume he was dropped. I think your “injury wracked” description is a somewhat sensational comment when you compare the real effects, which are similar to what every other club has to deal with in a season.
You then throw in the excuse of “a front line that is very young raw and lacking EFL experience”. Well, surprise, surprise those very same players were signed by Hughes, towards the end of the last window! If he thought they were good enough, he might have to revise his thoughts now. How did he ever think Afoka could effectively cover for Cook. Indeed, we knew Cook was injured and our sights should have been set on signing an experienced front man, even on a short term deal. What does Hughes do? He spends the quickly disappearing hours of the window chasing, and finally signing a CENTRE HALF, despite us already having six on the books already (I’m not sure of the timing of the loan deal, pushing Odusina out of the door).
Your post looks like it’s been slanted in support of Hughes. In fact, when dissected, you’ve made an excellent case for firing him NOW.
No you’ve made a case for firing Hughes and go back into the cycle of hire and fire. Cook looked lean and mean in pre season and then got crocked and carried it for a few weeks because Oliver was out too. Chapman is exactly what we are missing along with Pattison – creativity. Those players supplemented by the likes of Tulloch, Wilson and Afoka all of whom have shown raw promise, looks like a decent squad to me. All of them together is a problem.
You go back to booing the captain and manager, jeering the young striker and you’ll get what you wish for. I’m not happy, it’s really disappointing but to react like this at this early stage is frankly ridiculous.
Rob, I certainly don’t condone booing, sarcastic cheering of withdrawn players and laughing at a city player who struggled to control the ball.
I think the current toxic atmosphere is a carry over from the unforgiveable lack of tactical nous over the two legged tie with Carlisle. The boring fayre on show, aside, the decision to change formation has unsettled and confused the players to such an extent, they couldn’t even perform when it reverted to their preferred back four yesterday. I’ve been watching City for sixty years so am depressed as you at the current situation.
Ryan Sparks promised an end to mediocrity but, currently, what’s on offer is worse than mediocre. Believe me things are far from right at Valley Parade, and they need to be rectified, before we even start to worry about booing fans.
I sense all the talk of the likelihood of Hughes being sacked is probably premature. It is very early in the season and, as Jason says, the key injuries are mitigating factors. These circumstances may well delay the inevitable. The problem is that your instinct tells you Hughes is not the man for this particular job – and never has been. You’ve got to know the division and plainly he does not. Managers live and die by their signings and tactics. He has not excelled at either. Some of the signings have been appalling and others wholly unjustifiable additions to positions already filled. Yesterday three centre halves didn’t even make the bench. The tactics, designed to ensure we never suffer big defeats, only ever allow us to win by the odd goal. There is no joy in the way we play, no sustained excitement, no
urgent expectancy that we are going to score. When the morale of the troops is gone, it’s only a matter of time before the general is replaced. I can’t see the mood in the 30-strong squad being anything but flat at the moment. I imagine the powers that be have much to think about this Sunday morning.
I mirror the majority of Rob’s comments. The negative reaction to Hughes, Smallwood or decisions serves no purpose and those responsible should beware of what they wish for.
Once the crowd turns, it’s hard for the Powers that Be, to ignore them. The likes of us season ticket holders, who’ve paid up front, have the choice to suck up these endless abysmal performances, or spend our home games more productively, away from Valley Parade. The club have our money in full. However, I understand, we have 6,000 fans on direct debit. I’m not sure what the terms of those ticket sales are, but, rightly or wrongly, some of those fans may well decide to cancel their bank payments.
As I say, I’m not sure of the agreement these fans have entered into but large swathes of these ticket holders cancelling direct debits would have a serious financial effect on the club. If this starts to happen then Rupp will be forced to swing the axe.
Judging by the gaps in the stands, recent official attendances look to be significantly overstated, so the fan exodus has already started. It wouldn’t surprise me if the axe is already being held in readiness.
I too agree with Rob. I am far from happy with how we have started the season, in addition to being unhappy with our recruitment. But the mitigating circumstances regarding injuries must surely count for something. Sacking any manager so soon into the season is madness and despite my misgivings I really do hope that Hughes is given a second season. I doubt that any manager could cope with loosing both his centre forwards and the free scoring mid fielder who was signed to address a problem that we were all aware of. I can accept that not everyone is as patient as I am, but I remain far from convinced that there is a standout candidate waiting to take over. We are getting close to seeing a number of key players returning from injury, so for this reason alone we need to stick and not twist.
Just to try and get a bit of perspective, last Saturday I went round to a friend of mine from Kent to watch the England game, he was sat watching his local team Gillingham on ifollow before the England game. Gillingham were playing Harrogate I took an interest in the game seeing as we were to host them the following week. Harrogate played just like they did against us setting up in two well organised banks of four which at times turned into two well organised banks of five. The two lads up front for Harrogate number 9 Odoh and 12 Folarin making a nuisance of themselves. We actually had more possession than Gillingham 68% compared to their 51 %. They couldn’t break them down until the 95th minute exactly the same as us. The only difference being they didn’t concede. Gillingham sit nicely at the top of the division whilst we’re languishing in 17th. Let’s have a look at the situation when our injured players are back.
I feel like we’ve tried everything on the manager front in the last 5 or 6 years:
Proven promotion at winner at league 2
Club legend
Experienced steady hand
Young unproven
Famous name
Nothing has changed, they come in after the transfer window shuts, change the mood, show some promise and then play dour slow football until all the goodwill dissipates and we repeat the process.
There is something amiss behind the scenes, something holding us back. Could be the owner, could be our shitty training facilities, impossible to know from the outside looking in.
Lot of parallels with Everton right now
Agreed. It’s 100% the owner, but Hughes has never been a good manager.
I’m curious to know what would be considered as acceptable at present. I’m reading lots of negative comments about the style of play, about the formation and so on. Results are one thing but how we achieve them is another and let’s be honest, the two don’t always go hand in hand. If we had won the last 5 would it matter how we did it? For some maybe it would. I for one wasn’t overly excited by the appointment of MH, not because it didn’t show ambition it did, but because of his lack of experience in the lower leagues. Stick Pep in L2 and he’d struggle so what were we expecting from a guy who let’s be honest didn’t exactly set the world alight in the Premier League. That aside he is a big name which I hoped would be a draw in itself, who wouldn’t want to learn from a player of his calibre? Yet here we are, boring football, questioning recruitment and consistently inconsistent. Last year wasn’t too dissimilar, playing from the back with little or no threat going forward until the new year when we appeared to go a little more direct. We have no identity, no style and a manager who still appears to be experimenting like it’s pre season. Sound familiar? We’ve had plenty of managers with some level of pedigree yet they all leave empty handed branded as failures. I’m all for giving managers time and I do think it’s too early to pull the trigger. At this stage I’d say results are more important than performances and I hope he can turn it around. We’ve been led to believe everything is in place to help us succeed but time and time again we find ourselves having the same debates. Surely there’s no better duo than Sparks and Sparky to provide the spark needed to get our season up and running!
Hughes hasn’t really had any clear idea of how to succeed. We flopped about trying to find a system that worked last season and I honestly think it was the crowd booing the ridiculous 2 centre halfs played it across the back that forced change. The Harrogate home game we actually stood toe to toe with their midfield and won. Shortly after he binned most of the midfield that made it happen. Presumably to start again with new players who could execute his big idea. I can’t think of any inspiring changes that he has made. Plenty of bizarre ones but nothing inspired. A the start of last season I was so optimistic with the striker Cook, Angol, Harrat and Young because I thought they covered the whole bag of tricks needed to score goals. He fell out with Harratt and Young (in fact he seems to have a problem managing young talent), played Angol in midfield and made him look bad. Cook obviously did exceptionally well and Hughes has to be given credit, but am I the only one who thinks that he wasn’t even in Hughes plans at the start of last season? And now he has a 3 year contract, Utter madness. We kept hearing about the professionalism he brought, especially from radio Leeds. What is it exactly? Walker wasn’t fit to play the 2nd playoff game. Banks wasn’t exhausted and Cook looks to have come back to play this season unfit (leading to an injury?). According to last weeks article we had the sixth best budget in the league. So not too bad. We have the potential to have a better budget but Unfortunately I do think a lot of ctid fans would rather walk away than pay the same as Halifax town fans.
And we are so so predictable. Any team that is organised and has a good fitness level can get something against us. Hughes said that we controlled the game. Utterly delusional.
It worries me that there’s even a conversation about sacking Hughes. Like you say, last season he gave us a team we could get behind, that we could care about – and that’s a big deal. There were some poor spells too, especially in the run up to Christmas.
Ok the 3 CB experiment has failed, at least he tried something, which shows he’s thinking about how to get us playing better, and not just going through the motions.
Progress isn’t always a straight line. A poor start to the season doesn’t warrant these sort of questions over his long term capabilities. He did enough last season to earn some patience.